Sorry, Giordano, but your post is incorrect. If a JW resigns or disassociates, no disciplinary action is taken by the congregation. A simple announcement is made that so-and-so is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses. Family and friends who want to avoid being dis-fellowshipped themselves will necessarily shun the ex-jw. The WTS stands on solid legal ground regarding that, especially since 1985. That is what makes the practice so insidious.
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There is law that can be applied to being DFed or DA
by Giordano inhttp://church-discipline.blogspot.com/2008/01/marian-guinn-vs-church-of-christ.html.
liasobessa brought this site to our attention on another related topic.
as i began to read i found that the information was excellent and extensive.
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Jason Cobb's posts documents on Internet
by Rufus T. Firefly inbe sure to read timelines 1 & 2 which include some interesting documents.
jason doesn't seem to realize that the course he has chosen has placed him completely at odds with the wts.
as much as he hates to admit it, he has become the thing he despises most...an apostate.
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Terry, your point is well taken; however, I wasn't talking about the official teachings of the WTS. I meant that the average JW will disregard the letter of the law if he perceives that it runs contrary to WTS purposes, and I feel that the actions of the elders in the Menlo Park support that conclusion. They clearly violated the law by opening new bank accounts using Jason Cobb's credentials and diverting funds into them.
In his book, In search of Christian Freedom, Ray Franz tells of a JW woman who worked in a doctor's office and who revealed a JW patient's private medical information to local elders which resulted in the patient being dis-fellowshipped. That was a clear violation of State and Federal laws, but the JW felt justified in doing so.
Island Man, I must admit I considered the possibility of your argument. However, the fact is that Jason Cobb has been dis-fellowshipped and by posting confidential memos on the Internet, he surely is considered to be an apostate by the WTS. In fact, he violated a judge's edict that bank records were not to be shared with persons outside of the investigation. So, now it appears that Jason is as guilty as those he is trying to expose.
Outlaw, I love the Mark Twain quote!
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Jason Cobb's posts documents on Internet
by Rufus T. Firefly inbe sure to read timelines 1 & 2 which include some interesting documents.
jason doesn't seem to realize that the course he has chosen has placed him completely at odds with the wts.
as much as he hates to admit it, he has become the thing he despises most...an apostate.
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'a watcher' is correct from the JW point of view. JWs believe that Watchtower law supercedes the laws of the land, so Jason should have just held on to his documents, kept quiet and let the whole scheme play out. But I agree with all the other comments, too. Jason still believes the corruption is isolated, not systemic. Jesus said, "A good tree cannot produce worthless fruit. . . By their fruits you will recognize those men." The actions of the GB reflect Jesus' description of the evil slave.
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Jason Cobb's posts documents on Internet
by Rufus T. Firefly inbe sure to read timelines 1 & 2 which include some interesting documents.
jason doesn't seem to realize that the course he has chosen has placed him completely at odds with the wts.
as much as he hates to admit it, he has become the thing he despises most...an apostate.
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See www.situation-blog.tumblr.com . Be sure to read Timelines 1 & 2 which include some interesting documents. Jason doesn't seem to realize that the course he has chosen has placed him completely at odds with the WTS. As much as he hates to admit it, he has become the thing he despises most...an apostate. Even the government officials seem to view him as a nut. Now he's added the local police and the District Attorney to his lawsuit, all but insuring it will never go before a jury.
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Jason Cobb's new podcast explaining Menlo Park scandal
by Rufus T. Firefly inhttps://soundcloud.com/jtv-16/jtv-podcast-ep1.
this podcast is very interesting, especially the latter half.
in a nutshell, the scheme is this: after determining that a complete kingdom hall remodel will cost the congregation $100,000.00, the regional building committee arbitrarily inflates the estimate to $250,000.00, fleecing the congregation and misappropriating the additional funds for other purposes.
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Jason Cobb's new podcast explaining Menlo Park scandal
by Rufus T. Firefly inhttps://soundcloud.com/jtv-16/jtv-podcast-ep1.
this podcast is very interesting, especially the latter half.
in a nutshell, the scheme is this: after determining that a complete kingdom hall remodel will cost the congregation $100,000.00, the regional building committee arbitrarily inflates the estimate to $250,000.00, fleecing the congregation and misappropriating the additional funds for other purposes.
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https://soundcloud.com/jtv-16/jtv-podcast-ep1
This podcast is VERY interesting, especially the latter half. In a nutshell, the scheme is this: After determining that a complete Kingdom Hall remodel will cost the congregation $100,000.00, the Regional Building Committee arbitrarily inflates the estimate to $250,000.00, fleecing the congregation and misappropriating the additional funds for other purposes. Money-laundering, plain and simple. Jason Cobb knows of another congregation in California Circuit 13 where the remodel estimate was $350,000.00!
Jason evidently assumes these are just a few bad apples in the organization; however, Jesus said, "A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit. . . By their fruits you will recognize those men." (Matthew 7:18, 20)
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Blip! The radar has blipped. I'm on it. 'chat' booked in for Sunday.......
by Captain Blithering ina young, progressive, kind elder wants to have a chat with me on sunday after the meeting.
we've talked before and been quite open about the judgemental attitudes 'we' have as witnesses, and he was completely in agreement, stating that he's never understood the beard thing among other issues, and wants to see the society moving forward by change..
i've no doubt he just wants to encourage me to up my hours or reach out again, but it's nerve wracking, as i know i'll say something i'll regret.
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If it is just you and him alone, I would not worry, especially if you ask him if the conversation will be kept in confidence. NEVER speak to two elders. I learned the hard way that they WILL lie and use one another as witnesses against you. I prefer requesting that the elder put anything he has to say to you in a letter. That scares them shitless, to put it mildly.
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Sheparding Call
by DS211 inat the meeting last night i was approached by an elder and he asked me what my schedule was like for the next week or so.
i told him im not sure ill have to tet back with him and i asked why and he said kindly but in an odd sort of way "for a visit".
my wife and i have not gone out in field service and have been missing meeting left and right mostly due to sickness and family.
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Simply request that elder to put what he has to say in a letter and mail it to you. That will be the last you hear of it.
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Could this be the Atom Bomb when it comes to waking up Someone? Could it Work?
by BU2B incould this be the home run swing when it comes to waking up a spouse?
could it work?
yesterday i was checking out this website http://howcultswork.com/.
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Excellent post, BU2B! I've visited that website and was impressed by the same points listed. After reading Ray Franz's Crisis of Conscience, I could not understand why he stopped short of calling JWs a cult, when they clearly are a cult for all the reasons he pointed out. What I liked about www.howcultswork.com is that they understand the basic definition of cult; therefore they conclude that at least 95% of the world's population belong to some type of cult, whether it be religious, political or commercial. I like the way you think, because I have wondered how to share that info with my wife.
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My thoughts on ex-Jw 'activism'
by Rufus T. Firefly ini have noticed several threads discussing the pros and cons of certain ex-jws who become activists toward active jws.
i dont know why anyone would find this to be odd; after all, jws consider it their god-given duty to expose religious error and apostasy in other religious organizations.
anyone who was ever a jw knows this to be true.
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I have noticed several threads discussing the pros and cons of certain ex-JWs who become “activists” toward active JWs. I don’t know why anyone would find this to be odd; after all, JWs consider it their God-given duty to expose religious error and apostasy in other religious organizations. Anyone who was ever a JW knows this to be true. So, why would anyone think it odd for ex-JWs to feel compelled to warn active JWs of apostasy found within the Watchtower organization?
I am amused by active JWs who disregard their organization’s admonition about creating websites for posting recordings of talks given by elders of various ranks or engaging ex-JWs in debates on various discussion forums and who display a very arrogant attitude as if they consider themselves to be spiritually mature individuals. Then they become outraged when the corruption of the WTBTS is pointed out to them. That clown named Klemetti who administers the JWTalks Yahoo Group comes to mind. What a joke! One imagines that he considers that his special ministry and reports the time spent posting those recordings of talks.
Sorry if I pissed anyone off with this post. Sometimes you just gotta get it off your chest, ya know?